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		<title>Comment on Refined Video Process by bcj.</title>
		<link>http://bcjphotography.com/blog/allthatglitters/refined-video-process/comment-page-1/#comment-1586</link>
		<dc:creator>bcj.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 15:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Garrey:

Thanks for stopping by and saying Hello. Looking forward to watching the updates on your Flickr page and to hearing about your workflow discovery.

bcj.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Garrey:</p>
<p>Thanks for stopping by and saying Hello. Looking forward to watching the updates on your Flickr page and to hearing about your workflow discovery.</p>
<p>bcj.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Refined Video Process by Garrey F</title>
		<link>http://bcjphotography.com/blog/allthatglitters/refined-video-process/comment-page-1/#comment-1567</link>
		<dc:creator>Garrey F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

Ive been reading alot on this topic lately since I recently bought a 7D.
I am also putting together a presentation on &quot;Video for photographers&quot;.
Thanks so much for explaining this. 
I will try this workflow.
But, I will substitute mpeg streamclip for neoscene.
And, I will try to download avid codec DNxHD for mpeg streamclip.

I keep my notes here. They are a bit jumbled but perhaps somebody might find them helpful.

Garrey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>Ive been reading alot on this topic lately since I recently bought a 7D.<br />
I am also putting together a presentation on &#8220;Video for photographers&#8221;.<br />
Thanks so much for explaining this.<br />
I will try this workflow.<br />
But, I will substitute mpeg streamclip for neoscene.<br />
And, I will try to download avid codec DNxHD for mpeg streamclip.</p>
<p>I keep my notes here. They are a bit jumbled but perhaps somebody might find them helpful.</p>
<p>Garrey</p>
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		<title>Comment on Too much Shpeel, not enough Banana! by bcj.</title>
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		<dc:creator>bcj.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that&#039;s what I&#039;m talking about - such passion! Conviction! Thanks for sharing your opinion, Mike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that&#8217;s what I&#8217;m talking about &#8211; such passion! Conviction! Thanks for sharing your opinion, Mike.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Too much Shpeel, not enough Banana! by Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saying that Banana Shpeel is the worst show ever is a understatement.   The only thing that prevented me from jumping from the balcony was that it might not have killed me upon impact and I would have been forced to hear 15 more minutes of the show while the ambulance came.  

Any good comment about this show has to be posted by friends and family of the show or someone who is blind, and deaf.  I wouldn’t buy tickets to this show for my worst enemy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saying that Banana Shpeel is the worst show ever is a understatement.   The only thing that prevented me from jumping from the balcony was that it might not have killed me upon impact and I would have been forced to hear 15 more minutes of the show while the ambulance came.  </p>
<p>Any good comment about this show has to be posted by friends and family of the show or someone who is blind, and deaf.  I wouldn’t buy tickets to this show for my worst enemy.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Refined Video Process by bcj.</title>
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		<dc:creator>bcj.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 05:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eduard:

I&#039;m glad you&#039;ve found this information helpful. You pose a great question...why, indeed, would I go through so much trouble with the 5D Mark II when I could just use a camcorder? My answer includes a few reasons.

First, financial limitations dictate that I keep my gear minimal. The 5D is not a small investment, and given that it captures both stills and video, I am able to maximize the return on my investment despite having to go through the messy workflow. That said, as messy as the workflow is, once I figured it out it&#039;s pretty straightforward. I&#039;m sure I could save some processing time in the conversion steps, but I do have to sleep and eat sometime.

Second, in addition to finances requiring minimal gear, I also need to be able to travel light, and using one piece of gear to accomplish two tasks helps to that end.

Third, I don&#039;t know any better. My first true foray into video has been with the 5D Mark II. Perhaps one day I&#039;ll purchase a nice HD video camera and promptly ask for a refund on the pain &amp; suffering I bought myself by doing what I&#039;m doing now.

Fourth, you already make the point about quality. The messy workflow is a small price to pay for the high quality results.

I&#039;m sure I could think of some more reasons, but that&#039;s the main theme: finances, minimal gear list, ignorance and quality.

As for file size...not small. First of all, according to the 5D user&#039;s manual, you can capture either 15 minutes of video or 4GBs at a time, whichever comes first. So if you need to record for an hour straight, you will have to anticipate restarting recording every 10-15 minutes (with cards greater than 4gb) or replacing your card every 10-15 minutes. Either way, you&#039;re going to have gaps in the playback of your final feature, especially if you&#039;re recording a continuous program like, say, a live presentation or a performance.

As for a real life example, I&#039;m looking at a file right now that came directly out of the camera. It is 13:16 long (min:sec) and has a file size of 3.83gb. Multiply this by 4 and you have almost an hour of video (53 mins) with just over 15gb of data. This doesn&#039;t even take into consideration the file sizes after transcoding. In my experience the transcoded file sizes are at least double the original file size, if not a little bit more. This is, of course, at full HD. You can always downsize to save on space.

Hope that helps!

bcj.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eduard:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;ve found this information helpful. You pose a great question&#8230;why, indeed, would I go through so much trouble with the 5D Mark II when I could just use a camcorder? My answer includes a few reasons.</p>
<p>First, financial limitations dictate that I keep my gear minimal. The 5D is not a small investment, and given that it captures both stills and video, I am able to maximize the return on my investment despite having to go through the messy workflow. That said, as messy as the workflow is, once I figured it out it&#8217;s pretty straightforward. I&#8217;m sure I could save some processing time in the conversion steps, but I do have to sleep and eat sometime.</p>
<p>Second, in addition to finances requiring minimal gear, I also need to be able to travel light, and using one piece of gear to accomplish two tasks helps to that end.</p>
<p>Third, I don&#8217;t know any better. My first true foray into video has been with the 5D Mark II. Perhaps one day I&#8217;ll purchase a nice HD video camera and promptly ask for a refund on the pain &#038; suffering I bought myself by doing what I&#8217;m doing now.</p>
<p>Fourth, you already make the point about quality. The messy workflow is a small price to pay for the high quality results.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure I could think of some more reasons, but that&#8217;s the main theme: finances, minimal gear list, ignorance and quality.</p>
<p>As for file size&#8230;not small. First of all, according to the 5D user&#8217;s manual, you can capture either 15 minutes of video or 4GBs at a time, whichever comes first. So if you need to record for an hour straight, you will have to anticipate restarting recording every 10-15 minutes (with cards greater than 4gb) or replacing your card every 10-15 minutes. Either way, you&#8217;re going to have gaps in the playback of your final feature, especially if you&#8217;re recording a continuous program like, say, a live presentation or a performance.</p>
<p>As for a real life example, I&#8217;m looking at a file right now that came directly out of the camera. It is 13:16 long (min:sec) and has a file size of 3.83gb. Multiply this by 4 and you have almost an hour of video (53 mins) with just over 15gb of data. This doesn&#8217;t even take into consideration the file sizes after transcoding. In my experience the transcoded file sizes are at least double the original file size, if not a little bit more. This is, of course, at full HD. You can always downsize to save on space.</p>
<p>Hope that helps!</p>
<p>bcj.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Too much Shpeel, not enough Banana! by Pinkerton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pinkerton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 02:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m happy you posted this. I&#039;ve been thinking about going to check the show out but I&#039;m very weary of spending the $100+ for anything less than life changing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m happy you posted this. I&#8217;ve been thinking about going to check the show out but I&#8217;m very weary of spending the $100+ for anything less than life changing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Refined Video Process by Luke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 06:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Paul. Looks like I had Neoscene on the medium quality in the preferences. For my next project I&#039;ll test this out, high quality neoscene vs. the original MOV files. If the neoscene is the same or better that&#039;ll save me a ton of time manually replacing each AVI clip with the original mov.

That said actually I just looked at final output to mp4 for a vimeo upload and I can&#039;t really see the difference between the output generated with the MOV files and the medium quality neoscene, so looking promising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Paul. Looks like I had Neoscene on the medium quality in the preferences. For my next project I&#8217;ll test this out, high quality neoscene vs. the original MOV files. If the neoscene is the same or better that&#8217;ll save me a ton of time manually replacing each AVI clip with the original mov.</p>
<p>That said actually I just looked at final output to mp4 for a vimeo upload and I can&#8217;t really see the difference between the output generated with the MOV files and the medium quality neoscene, so looking promising.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Refined Video Process by Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 05:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luke, I have almost the same rig as you and I also use NeoScene, but I keep those avi&#039;s intact through to output. Here&#039;s why: NeoScene does a conversion on the raw .mov&#039;s from 4:2:0 to 4:2:2 (8-bit to 10-bit). It&#039;s obviously interpolated but it does offer a *slight* quality improvement. I&#039;d keep &#039;em in place and not put the originals back... See how it works!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luke, I have almost the same rig as you and I also use NeoScene, but I keep those avi&#8217;s intact through to output. Here&#8217;s why: NeoScene does a conversion on the raw .mov&#8217;s from 4:2:0 to 4:2:2 (8-bit to 10-bit). It&#8217;s obviously interpolated but it does offer a *slight* quality improvement. I&#8217;d keep &#8216;em in place and not put the originals back&#8230; See how it works!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Refined Video Process by Luke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 04:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fyi: i convert the raw MOV files to 1080p neoscene files, edit with those (smooth in premiere timeline - my pc rig is a i7 920, 6GB ram, $70 video card, RAID 0 (3 SATA drives)), then before final export replace with original MOV files. 

the last step is a pain! haven&#039;t found an automated way to go from AVI to MOV, i&#039;ve even tried editing the XML for the premiere project file.

Wondering also how close the 1080p AVI neoscene files are to the original MOV files though, maybe it&#039;s overkill to replace back to MOV for final render...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fyi: i convert the raw MOV files to 1080p neoscene files, edit with those (smooth in premiere timeline &#8211; my pc rig is a i7 920, 6GB ram, $70 video card, RAID 0 (3 SATA drives)), then before final export replace with original MOV files. </p>
<p>the last step is a pain! haven&#8217;t found an automated way to go from AVI to MOV, i&#8217;ve even tried editing the XML for the premiere project file.</p>
<p>Wondering also how close the 1080p AVI neoscene files are to the original MOV files though, maybe it&#8217;s overkill to replace back to MOV for final render&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Too much Shpeel, not enough Banana! by bcj.</title>
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		<dc:creator>bcj.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems like the presence of a story line might just depend on the particular show.

Corteo&#039;s site describes the theme loosely as &quot;The clown pictures his own funeral taking place in a carnival atmosphere, watched over by quietly caring angels. Juxtaposing the large with the small, the ridiculous with the tragic and the magic of perfection with the charm of imperfection, the show highlights the strength and fragility of the clown, as well as his wisdom and kindness, to illustrate the portion of humanity that is within each of us. The music, by turns lyrical and playful, carries Corteo through a timeless celebration in which illusion teases reality.&quot;

Kooza&#039;s theme is &quot;KOOZA tells the story of The Innocent, a melancholy loner in search of his place in the world.&quot;

Whereas La Nouba is pretty clear they&#039;re just there to entertain you with circus acts: &quot;The show name La Nouba originates from the French phrase “faire la nouba,” which means to party, to live it up. It is a world where dreams and reality intertwine as the urban and circus worlds meet on stage. Blending acrobatics, dazzling choreography, whimsical characters and live music, La Nouba stimulates our imagination from beginning to end.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like the presence of a story line might just depend on the particular show.</p>
<p>Corteo&#8217;s site describes the theme loosely as &#8220;The clown pictures his own funeral taking place in a carnival atmosphere, watched over by quietly caring angels. Juxtaposing the large with the small, the ridiculous with the tragic and the magic of perfection with the charm of imperfection, the show highlights the strength and fragility of the clown, as well as his wisdom and kindness, to illustrate the portion of humanity that is within each of us. The music, by turns lyrical and playful, carries Corteo through a timeless celebration in which illusion teases reality.&#8221;</p>
<p>Kooza&#8217;s theme is &#8220;KOOZA tells the story of The Innocent, a melancholy loner in search of his place in the world.&#8221;</p>
<p>Whereas La Nouba is pretty clear they&#8217;re just there to entertain you with circus acts: &#8220;The show name La Nouba originates from the French phrase “faire la nouba,” which means to party, to live it up. It is a world where dreams and reality intertwine as the urban and circus worlds meet on stage. Blending acrobatics, dazzling choreography, whimsical characters and live music, La Nouba stimulates our imagination from beginning to end.&#8221;</p>
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